WING CHUN MALAYSIA: VING TSUN MARTIAL ART

Friday, 2 August 2013

A Wing Chun seminar - Chum Kiu with Grandmaster Ho Kam Ming 何金銘

A seminar with Grandmaster Ho Kam Ming 何金銘

(part 3)

Chum Kiu

Question: What's the main thing that Chum Kiu develops? What is it's purpose?

Master Ho: Chum Kiu teaches you how to control your motions while turning. Siu Lim Tau develops techniques in a stationary position. In Chum Kiu, even though you're turning, you still can control that motion--much like a stationary position. This will develop turning, balance and unity. Chum Kiu means "Searching for the Bridge." The bridge refers to the person's hand or arm. When you face an opponent and go in, you go in the center. When his hands come into play, you can touch or feel for the hands; then you can control him--that's "Searching for the Bridge." Remember, if the opponent doesn't block you, or bring his hands up--just go in the centerline.

Question: If you have a powerful opponent and he comes after you with wide swinging motions--how would you handle this? How would you end the fight?

Master Ho: If your opponent attacks you in this way--according to theory you should be able to use a straight line punch to beat the wide motion. This is because the timing is longer. But if he's already in, you may be able to deflect his power. If he's too strong then just step away. (Master Ho demonstrated how to deflect power left or right by using Bong Sau or Taan Sau).

Question: How do you deal with a flicking attack or a fake?

Master Ho: Just attack, go right in. (Master Ho demonstrated how one may simply attack when faked). Also, some people try to scare you by stomping on the floor, etc; just strike out withyour fist.

Question: If confronted, do you look at the eyes or the hands?

Master Ho: If you look at the hand, you lose everything. Look at the eyes.

Question: So moving inward can effectively jam a technique?

Master Ho: Don't just run into the opponent. You must adjust the distance. If the distance allows you to go in--do so; don't go in blind. If you can't control the opponent, don't go in. Close the gap and strike when you should--don't when you shouldn't. (Master Ho demonstrated an "inside facing" punch). Some people duck when punched. In Wing Chun you can attack by changing the angle--without ducking.

Question: Could you comment on the concept of "Sinking the Bridge." Doesn't Chum Kiu also mean this?

Master Ho: Sinking the Bridge is an application. (Master Ho demonstrated how to drop the elbow in defense of a body punch). Searching for the Bridge is the name of the form. "Chum" Kiu, or "sinking" bridge, is a technique. But the meaning of the form is "Searching for the Bridge." Don't confuse this.

Question: Why does the Wing Chun style always teach one to look at the eyes? Other styles teach to look elsewhere.

Master Ho: For example, if you look down while I punch, you'll miss what's coming. By looking at the eyes you'llsee the whole picture.

Question: What's the difference between the Pai Jong (Hacking Elbow) and Lon Sau (Bar Arm)?

Master Ho: Lon Sau can help you to get out from a grab. By turning, you use the whole body to bring your hand up. (A demonstration followed in which master Ho easily brought his hand back from a double grab position).

Question: Where does the power originate in the turning position? Is it the knees?

Master Ho: It's not just the knees; the whole body assists in the turn. If you turn the whole body as a unit--you can get more power. This is better then using just the hip or knees, etc. The idea here is unity.

Question: But where does the turn originate? How do you turn?

Master Ho: You can't say exactly where the turn originates, for the whole body turns. The feet, knees, hip, and body all work together. You can't say, that's where the turn originates. This is why you have to practice. In order to know exactly how to generate power, you need to practice in order to feel your motion. This is the only way to know these things.

Question: Is the Turning Elbow (Pai Jong) technique lower than the same technique in Siu Lim Tau?

Master Ho: No, it's about the same. But, when you perform the Turning Elbows, it's important to learn how to turn the technique with the body. In application you need to control your motion.You see how close the subject is and therefore how much to turn. This you need to adjust, you can tell how much by experience.

Question: Toward the end of Chum Kiu, are there not two circle side kicks executed?

Sifu Fong: In the beginning, we use all front kicks. If you can't do a front kick right, you can't do a side kick. The front kick is the basic kick for the Wing Chun style. At the end of the form there is a "left" circle front kick.

Master Ho: According to human behavior, everyone uses the right leg automatically. In Wing Chun we develop the left leg. If you concentrate on the left leg, you'll be able to use both legs equally. It's the same principle behind developing the punches: left, right, left in the forms. Develop the left more than the right.

Question: In Chum Kiu set, why does the Drilling Punch go upward, like an "Uppercut?"

Master Ho: Has everyone seen Mike Tyson fight? Well, I feel he's the first fighter to effectively use the Uppercut. Yet, in Wing Chun, we already had this punch a couple hundred years ago. You see, under the chin is a point and, when hit, causes an immediate knock out--the brain is sent to the top of the head. It can even kill.

Question: How many triangles are there in the structure? And does that change with the movement of the opponent?

Master Ho: (Here, master Ho demonstrated how to use triangles in group fighting).

Question: How many triangles are there in one's own structure?

Master Ho: (Master Ho demonstrated how changing the line also changes the triangle.) No matter how many triangles there are, they all focus or lay on the centerline.

Question: How do you get power in your front kick? Other arts use a kind of wind up to generate force.

Master Ho: The Wing Chun kick uses Bone Joint Power. It comes directly from the floor and goes forward. If you bring the leg up first and then kick, there are two motions. Anyway, the Wing Chun kick is not used all the time, only when necessary. This is because when you use a kicking technique, you have only one leg on the ground. You can be attacked easily. If you kick me, I can avoid the kick by moving one inch. When you miss, I can get you; I can go in.

Question: What's the purpose of the Fok Sau technique in Chum Kiu?

Master Ho: From an outside position, Fok Sau will cover your opening. The purpose is first to bring the elbow in to cover oneself. If you bring the hand in only, you will miss the block. Learn how to control your elbow. Also, Fun Sau (which is applied before) is executed toward the side in the form. But this technique can be applied to the front.

Question: Wing Chun doesn't advocate ducking. Many styles know this and use this against us. Is there a reason for this? How can you fight against other styles if you don't duck?

Master Ho: According to Wing Chun theory, we don't duck, we keep our position. If your position is right, no one can get into your area. In Wing Chun, the whole structure is protecting your body; that is, as long as you play your own game. In Wing Chun we have a saying, "Glass head, tofu chest, and iron bridge." The bridge protects the head and body--the glass head and tofu chest. If you get hit in the head, it's like glass; in the chest and it's like tofu--smashed. The hand is like an iron bridge--the hand is the guard.

Question: But don't you think it's a disadvantage that other styles know our methods? Shouldn't one do something different?

Master Ho: No matter what system you are facing, just play your own game. Your own game is to adjust your distance, timing, etc. You will win.

Question: At the beginning of the second section of Chum Kiu, you turn with Lon Sau and form a fist. Is this for attacking? Is this a punch?

Master Ho: It is a fist, but it is not for striking. This motion allows one to stick and follow the opponent's hand.

Question: Is the Arm Catching (Jip Sau) motion for breaking an arm, controlling, or what?

Master Ho: This is an arm break, but the way you are demonstrating it is lousy. If I do it like you, with the elbow down and in, the punch will get through. (Here master Ho discussed the hand closest to the body.) The elbow has to be out; this way you can catch the arm. In Wing Chun not all the techniques have the elbow in. You have to know this.

Question: What's the best way to fight a group of people?

Master Ho: When you fight, use hand techniques more than kicks. Use the hands 80% of the time; especially when you fight more than one person. Use the legs to move the center, adjust the angle.

Question: How does the eye power of Chum Kiu differ from that of Siu Lim Tau?

Master Ho: In both forms, learn how to control the eyes. Look straight forward, that is the main idea. Learn to develop periphery vision.

Question: If one initiates an attack first in a fight, where is the best place to strike?

Master Ho: Strike the weakest point--the chest. If you attack the head you may cause a cut, but if you attack the chest it involves the heart. This is a killing point. No matter how big you are--one good punch here and you can not take it.

Question: When's the best time to strike? When the subject is breathing in or out?

Master Ho: This kind of timing doesn't matter, you can go in anytime.

Question: In the proverbs it states, "Use escaping hand to turn around the situation." What's this mean?

Master Ho: If you can't do it, don't worry. For example, books say you can jump ten feet high! But this is only writing; can I do it? That's a different story. If you want to understand a thing, learn to do it. If you can apply the theory, that's good, that's what you should concentrate on.

Question: Again, what's the fist for in the Lon Sau technique? Is this a grab?

Master Ho: This allows one to stabilize the bridge. If it's open here, it won't be correct or stabilized.

Question: So it's not a grab?

Master Ho: No, and when you grab someone you must be careful--it's very dangerous. If you grab my hand, I'll break your wrist. In China, these locking techniques were quite popular. Today theypractice Tiger Claw or Wu Shu but won't allow the citizens to practice Wing Chun and such. This is because they don't want ordinary people better than those in the government. This is one reason why Wing Chun is being lost in the Chinese mainland.

Question: Could you explain the application of the Low Wing Block (Bong Sau)?

Master Ho: (Master Ho demonstrated how a punch is deflected downward from a regular Bong Sau position, thus forming a low Bong Sau). The low Bong Sau follows the power. If the force is too heavy, just go with it. Don't block the punch upward; you should flow down. Also, in the form, two low Bong Sau's are applied together. But by the time you apply the Bong Sau, use only one hand. Remember, when you apply this, never use two Bong Sau's at the same time.

Question: Why does the "Inside Line" punch (from Lon Sau) come from the elbow rather than the centerline?

Master Ho: From a slight sideways position, the centerline is here. (Master Ho indicated one must use this motion to regain the centerline). If one punches from the center, there's no control--the opponent's punch gets in. Use this motion to clear the line of attack.

Question: What's the meaning behind the "Step Forward" Double Palm technique in the third section of Chum Kiu?

Master Ho: This push allows the whole body to move together. This develops unity; it teaches one how to move the entire body forward.

Question: Should the Front Kick be practiced more than any other kick?

Master Ho: The Front Kick is the most important kick in Wing Chun. When you fight, your opponent is facing you. The kick to use is the front kick. If you turn or use a side kick, you may lose everything.

Question: Could you explain the difference between Siu Lim Tau and Chum Kiu techniques in relation to distance in fighting?

Master Ho: When you're talking about forms, since there's no subject before you, it's difficult to speak of distance. Distance only applies when you have an opponent in front of you.

Question: After the Stepping Bong Sau, you "drop" the hands (Chum Kiu) crossing them. Do you maintain the same line?

Master Ho: Yes, when you drop, since you're turned, it looks like you're off the centerline. But really the centerline is still here (toward the center). In this motion the elbows should be slightly out. Don't squeeze them inward. But yes, the intersection of the hands is on the centerline.

Question: What's the correct angle for the Brush Hand (Tuit Sau). How far away from the body should the hand be?

Master Ho: Go straight down. The hand should be close to the body. You can use this motion to dissolve a grab. If you go forward you can not dissolve the technique.

Question: Could you talk about Huen Sau (Circle Hand)? Is this a grab?

Master Ho: In Wing Chun forms you see inside circling, but not outside grabbing. The circle is inside, we don't use an outside circle (Grab Hand) too much. If you use an outside circle (Grab), your opponent can just snap down and break your wrist. But Huen Sau is really for regaining your position or line. (Master Ho demonstrated a Huen Sau followed by a low side palm).

Question: What's the application for the dropping Chum Kiu (Cross Hand) technique which follows Stepping Bong Sau?

Master Ho: When you apply Bong Sau, your lower gate is all open. This motion allows you to drop the hands to protect the body.

Question: Could you explain a little about the Backward Step (Toi Ma) in the Chum Kiu?

Master Ho: When you step Backward here, it allows you to regain your balance easier than by going forward. Remember, Chum Kiu teaches one how to control the balance in movement.

Question: Do you snap both wrists when you execute the Jip Sau (Arm Catching) motion?

Master Ho: Yes, both hands snap at the same time. The timing must be right.

Question: What's the application for Gum Sau (Pinning Hand) near the end of Chum Kiu form?

Master Ho: Gum Sau teaches you to block. When you use it, though, don't just use the hand, use the entire arm. Remember to bend the elbow; don't lock the arm.

Question: When you execute the Double Palm and push both feet together, it doesn't seem to be a strong base, does it?

Master Ho: The purpose of this technique is first, to practice moving forward while maintaining the center of gravity. Second, so you can execute a turn kick. For example, the legs must be close together to perform the kick. In the form you practice the basics, in fighting you can do whatever you wish.

Question: Could you explain the application of the Rising Punch from the Gum Sau position?

Master Ho: (A demonstration was presented in which a Rising Punch follows a blocked kick--Gum Sau). Remember, the elbow should be bent. Also, after the block, you should punch immediately--attack right away.

Question: Where does the gate end for the hands and the legs take over? Does it end where the Gum Sau position is?

Master Ho: If a kick comes into your hand area, fine. But don't chase the leg. Keep your hands in position. If the attack is lower than the waist, use the your legs. Don't follow the kick with your hands. Also, if the knee is used to block a kick, don't bring it straight up--use a circular knee technique.

Question: In Searching for the Bridge is the idea to destroy and control the bridge? Or perhaps just to feel for it?

Master Ho: In the real meaning for Chum Kiu, it's not breaking or controlling; that's the application. Searching for the Bridge is the name and meaning of the form.

Question: Is there a meaning and application for the double Taan Sau before and after the Stepping Low Bong Sau?

Master Ho: Not really, this is only to set up for the next Bong Sau. (Here master Ho indicated nobody has asked about the main point of Chum Kiu. He asked, "What's the main technique in the form?")

Question: Is it the control of the center of gravity; maintaining the centerline?

Master Ho: That's been discussed already. What's the main motion Chum Kiu develops? That has not been brought up as yet.

Question: Is it the Bong Sau motion?

Master Ho: Which one.

Question: The Stepping Bong Sau (Tor Ma Bong Sau, replied Dan M.)?

Master Ho: Yes, right (applause). This motion uses a side position and goes sideways. But in application you go forward. The purpose for going sideways is to develop and maintain your center of gravity while moving. If you practice going forward in the beginning, you lose your balance; so you step sideways. Remember, in application, you go forward.

Question: Could you talk some more about Bong Sau? I've never heard that idea before.

Master Ho: When you're attacked, it's difficult to tell where the attack is coming from. The Bong Sau only protects your body. When the punch comes in, that's the time to use it. Other then that, you can use Taan Sau or Pak Sau. Bong Sau is applied after touching; when you feel something, then you use Bong Sau. Bong Sau and the "elbow up" is used for close fighting--to save your position. You use Bong Sau after the hand is already in. Don't use it if the attack is still outside.

Question: Then is Bong Sau considered an "emergency" block?

Master Ho: In a way, yes; when you're in danger. Also, Bong Sau controls the force of others.

Question: Could you show how Bong Sau is used moving forward?

Master Ho: When your opponent attempts to change attacks, you can jam his motion. (Master Ho demonstrated.) Use the body to step in; it's not the hands so much as the body moving forward.

Question: For a high punch, how would you block?

Master Ho: In Wing Chun, "offense is defense." (Master Ho demonstrated an Inside Rising punch to deflect a punch. He then executed a strike over a low blow controlling the attack. These are examples of Searching for the Bridge.) Also, a lot of people step back in defense of an attack. In real Wing Chun, we go in--get the right structure, position. One should attack, don't move away--move in--go forward. If you don't do it right--you will miss the block and you may get hit. If your timing and position are right then you will be alright. That's why you need someone always around, pointing out your mistakes.

Question: Besides Bong Sau (Wing Block), are there other motions that are important?

Master Ho: All techniques are important; each can counter one another. But it's vital to touch and then apply the techniques. This is why we have Sticky Hands; you touch and apply. This is called application after touching.

Question: How can you get away from an outside grab besides applying Biu Sau (Shooting Fingers)?

Master Ho: You don't need a big motion--just turn the hand over and apply Taan Sau. (Ho Kam Ming demonstrated how Taan Sau can easily break an outside grab).

Question: About a Step/Slide (Tor Ma)--Do you drag the back leg?

Master Ho: Slide the back leg.

Question: Are you pushing off also?

Master Ho: Yes, when you push yourself forward, you also control your center of gravity. If you push two inches--you step two inches. Keep the distance constant between the feet.

Question: Could you talk about mobility. For example, in application, when's the right time to change your stance?

Master Ho: Mobility depends upon the opponent--try to adjust to his movement. If you do it by yourself--you can't develop any kind of ability. You need a target to really develop mobility.

Question: Could you show some examples?

Master Ho: Yes. (Master Ho demonstrated some angling steps, Saam Gok Ma, etc.)

Question: Could you comment on "front body" versus "side body" fighting?

Master Ho: Wing Chun is a natural system. If two birds are fighting, and one bird faces away, he will get it. Better yet, if two dogs fight and one turns away, the one turning will get bitten. It's the same for two boxers--if you turn sideways then you'll lose--you lose one side, one hand. When you punch with that hand, you have to change your center. When you move, I can punch you right then. Or if I want, I can just control you by holding your shoulder, keeping you from turning toward me. Because of this, Wing Chun doesn't fight sideways. Basically, Wing Chun fights front on (one leg forward). This way both hands can be used equally.

Question: If I'm like this (Side Body Stance--Juk Sun Ma), is this considered Pin Sun (Side Body)?

Master Ho: No, this is still Front Body (Jing Sun).

Question: Should we combine horizontal and vertical leg positioning in fighting?

Master Ho: (Master Ho moved forward and backward and had sifu Fong execute combination stances). When you're beginning, you can use a flat stance (Yee Jee Kim Yeung Ma) in practice. If you can not control your stances (if you can't do it), don't fight with one leg forward. This way you can move to both sides equally. If you can't be flexible with your stances, when you stand this way (forward leg), you may have only one way to go--you can't develop equally.

Question: Does height matter? If I fight a taller person, do I have to angle out more?

Master Ho: No matter--tall or short--they have to come into your position. Just play your own game.

Question: But, do I need more footwork for a bigger person?

Master Ho: When you fight, it's better to stabilize your movement. The more you move around, the more room you give to the opponent to attack.

Question: Could you talk about the Wing Chun principle, "If you move, I move faster."

Master Ho: Well, in order to move faster--the first thing you need is correct structure. If your structure is right, you can attack right away. But if your structure isn't good, even if you are faster, your opponent will get in.

Question: As a beginner, I don't understand the pivot (turning stance). When would I use it?

Master Ho: Turning allows you to get your center of gravity. If you turn too much you lose the position--not enough and you lose your balance. Correct turning allows you to be strong--the structure will be perfect; then no one can move you so easy.

Question: Why is it that so many exponents turn incorrectly? They put all the weight on their rear leg and move the vertical axis line "to and fro?"

Master Ho: It's because that person or the person who taught him didn't know how to find his center of gravity. It's really like spelling a word; if it's spelled incorrectly you don't pay attention, you keep making the same mistake. You keep spelling the word wrong.

-Compiled and edited by Curt James

Included courtesy of Wing Chun Chinese Martial Arts Association

Thursday, 1 August 2013

Grandmaster Ho Kam Ming 何金銘 with his Sifu GGM Ip Man

A seminar with Grandmaster Ho Kam Ming 何金銘

(part 2)

Siu Lim Tau

Question: From the Fok Sau position, some people perform a Taan Sau before moving to Huen and Wu Sau. Is this correct?

Master Ho: When you turn the hand over in this manner that is an application. When you do the basic form, don't do TaanSau for it can tighten up the muscles. In the form just circle into Wu Sau.

Question: When you hold the fist at the side of the body, doesn't this promote some tension?

Master Ho: As long as it's natural, it's all right.

Question: If one wished to teach someone that was well built the Siu Lim Tau, how would you go about it?

Master Ho: Tell him not to use excessive tension, just do the motions--don't force it.

Question: What's the application for the downward Cross Hand (Sup Jee Sau) position at the beginning of the form?

Master Ho: This motion is useful for when you're losing your balance and falling forward. If someone is kicking up whileI'm falling, this motion is useful.

Question: Could you talk about the elbow line?

Master Ho: The elbow line is close, but don't force the position. Just bring it in as close as it's naturally possible. Some people with larger muscles can't bring the elbow in too far--that's all right. Bring it in as much as you can. It really depends upon the build of the individual.

Question: There seem to be two schools of thought on the Taan Sau position. Could you comment on the true positionof Taan Sau?

Master Ho: If the Taan Sau is held pointing upward, you have no control of the motion, it's weak. If it's held horizontallyit is braced--it's like a bridge. A Taan Sau position which points upward is wrong.

Question: Could you comment on Chi Kung practice. Wing Chun is a Buddhist style, correct? Also, what do you think about Taoist Chi Kung as practiced in Siu Lim Tau?

Master Ho: When you do the form, don't worry about Chi Kung. Just work on the position; worry about the technique.

Question: After Pak Sau, why does one bring the hand back to the center before executing the straight palm?

Master Ho: Basically, one learns one motion at a time. When you get used to the technique you can execute the palm strikefrom Pak Sau. Like the basic punches, you bring the punch to the center first. But once you know this, it's not necessary--just punch out. The form teaches one step at a time. Later, one can edit the motions. At the beginning it's important to learn the correct line.

Question: What's the significance of going in and out in the first part of Siu Lim Tau?

Master Ho: Well, Taan Sau is executed once because it's a strong position. Fok Sau is performed three times to allowmore practice. Fok Sau develops the elbow by bringing it inward--thisneeds to be practiced more.

Question: After the Cross Hand position at the beginning of the form, some people come straight up while we "roll" up and out slightly. Why is this?

Master Ho: If you come straight up, when people trap you, you have no way out. If you roll from the inside out (Quan Sau) you can easily get away. This is better than coming straight up.

Question: I understand Fok Sau develops the wrist. Are there other applications?

Master Ho: The Fok Sau motion stabilizes the arm. This promotes a strong motion.

Question: What's the proper height for Taan Sau motion?

Master Ho: The perfect position for Taan Sau is the palm flat and the forearm slightly upward. Taan Sau should be on the centerline, not too high or too low. If it's too high it will make the shoulder muscles tight. However, if your arm is larger, it may be higher, if you have a shorter arm, it may be lower.

Question: What's the relationship between Siu Lim Tau and the practice of mental clarity?

Master Ho: If you clear your mind when you practice it's much better. You can concentrate on what you're doing; nothingwill bother you.

Master Hawkins Cheung noted: "Ho Kam Ming began training when he was about 29 or 30 and therefore concentrated on theory. This is what he's best at. He received all the best information." Cheung questioned the listeners, "The Wing Chun style is based on what? It's based on feeling, sensitivity. And what do I mean by sensitivity? Information. Do you have the correct information or not? Wing Chun (boxing) uses what? Unity. Earlier today stances were mentioned ... We don't fight with separate movements, we fight with unity. That's the key. And yet, theory is very important. You can't copy anyone ... Ho Kam Ming will teach you the correct motions, theory. This is better than learning a lot of movements. If you start good, you learn good. If you start no good, you learn no good, understand?"

-Compiled and edited by Curt James

Included courtesy of Wing Chun Chinese Martial Arts Association

“Give a phone call to Ho Kam Ming 何金銘 in Macau. Here I have nofighters for you, but see if he can help you.”

“Give a phone call to Ho Kam Ming 何金銘 in Macau. Here I have no fighters for you, but see if he can help you.”

-GGM Ip Man to Tang Sang

Grandmaster Ho Kam Ming 何金銘 is one of Yip Man’s best disciples. He devotes his life in studying and refining the art of Ving Tsun and he is one of the few men who had completed the entire system under Yip Man.

Grandmaster Ho was held in high regards by Yip Man. He spent three and a half years to learn the whole system from Yip Man, then he helped Yip Man to teach his classes for another three and a half years. It was during this time when he learned the most advanced skills privately from Yip Man. As a matter of fact, majority of students followed Yip Man for less than two years.

During the seven years Grandmaster Ho was with Yip Man, he trained Wing Chun in the school everyday for at least four hours per day, without taking a single day off. Needless to say, he developed a very close personal relationship with Yip Man.

After seven years of dedicated training, Grandmaster Ho opened his own Wing Chun school in Macau and the Ho Kam Ming Wing Chun Association was established. Unlike many other Wing Chun instructors who chose to teach on a part time basis, Grandmaster Ho taught Wing Chun full time. Passing down the art has been his life time career since that time.

Back in the 1960′s and 70′s, in addition to teaching Wing Chun for self-defense, Grandmaster Ho also trained professional Wing Chun fighters. His full contact Wing Chun teams fought in martial arts tournaments throughout southeast Asia and they had achieved considerable recognition.

During the mid-60′s, as the reputation of the school grew, a famous Chinese martial arts school from Hong Kong called for a formal challenge. Challenge, back then, was a very serious matter since it was a good way to establish a good reputation. Although the challenging school had fought and won over a hundred contests in this manner, they lost completely in this match.

Another notable match was related to the setup of the Hong Kong Chinese Martial Arts Association (HKCMAA). Tang Sang, the organizer of HKCMAA, received a challenge from the already established Chinese Martial Arts Association (CMAA). CMAA would send out three fighters from China, and Tang could pick three fighters from any kind of Chinese martial arts locally in Hong Kong. Tang Sang could setup the HKCMAA only if two of his men won in this three matches game.

While no fighters were willing to participate, Tang Sang at last turned to Yip Man for help. The only thing that Yip Man told him was: “give a phone call to Ho Kam Ming in Macau. Here I have no fighters for you, but you can see if he can help you.”

Three part time fighters were then sent by Grandmaster Ho. The fights were held in the Hong Kong city hall, and it was being broadcasted live on TV. Of no surprises, Grandmaster Ho’s students won all three matches and HKCMAA was setup afterward.

In the late 1970′s, Grandmaster Ho retired from teaching Wing Chun publicly. Since then, instead of teaching in a school, he provided only private training to individuals. He then immigrated to Canada in the 1990′s.

-WingChunPedia

Wednesday, 31 July 2013

Wing Chun Grandmaster Ho Kam Ming 何金銘

...staying true to the Centerline Theory, Grandmaster Ho Kam Ming 何金銘 watches his students through the Center Line.

A seminar with Grandmaster Ho Kam Ming 何金銘

(part ...staying true to the Centerline Theory, Grandmaster Ho Kam Ming 何金銘 watches his students through the Center Line.

A seminar with Grandmaster Ho Kam Ming 何金銘

(part 5)

Principles and Techniques

Master Ho demonstrated techniques against a straight punch. He executed circle step Pak/Low Palm. He showed the correct position for blocking with Taan Sau. He stated, "If the angle is incorrect, I won't be able to block the strike. The angle should be braced out, toward the line of attack." He used the "blocking line" to deflect the blow while punching. This is called the central line by some.

This was followed by Bong Sau Low Side Kick; Quan Sau Low Side Kick; Guide Bridge Low Front Kick; Guide Bridge while throwing the opponent; Bong Sau Chor Ma; Taan Da with a slight angle change. Master Ho then retreated out of distance as a response to a strike. He executed Quan Sau Chor Ma; Inside Facing Jaam Sau, followed by a chop; beginning from Lop Sau, advancing Bong Sau, etc.

Master Ho: When practicing, one partner should be active and the other passive; retreat and change angles, then go in after adjusting. You have to get the right timing. For example, while the opponent is still coming in, that's when you attack. Learn to avoid the "power point" first--then strike. When an opponent punches you, when you retreat or angle out, he has a tendency to continue to come forward, that's when you get him. By practicing the stance, you know the correct moment to step. Wait until the punch comes all the way to you before you move. You must practice this kind of timing. Also, if the opponent comes in too fast, and you can't step back--use turning. (Master Ho showed how to adjust angles and slip punches.)

Question: Is this Boy Lay Ying Faat or Glass Body technique you are describing?

Master Ho: The term Boy Lay Ying is the title for this. But the principle idea is to learn how to adjust your distance when fighting. Learn how to avoid the opponent's power point.

Question: Is this also applicable to "chasing the shadow?"

Master Ho: Yes. When two fighters are facing each other, you "face the shadow." This is called Chew Ying. If the opponent turns sideways, I'm Chew Ying, he's Bai Ying. He is losing his structure. Front-on facing (Yee Jee Kim Yeung Ma) isn't necessary (to be the Chew Ying concept). If your opponent is in front of you and you're looking at him--that's Chew Ying. It doesn't matter as long as you face the opponent. But you don't have to face front-on each time with the basic stance. You can rotate slightly, chasing the shadow (punching the opponent). That's Chew Ying. Many martial artists jump around like boxers, but in Wing Chun we stay in one point and "face the line."

Question: What about when your opponent flanks you and goes beyond your shift limit?

Sifu Fong moved quickly right, but was easily cut off by master Ho's punches.

Question: Besides chasing the shadow, how about "striking the shadow?"

Master Ho: This isn't quite right. What happens if you turn around and see a shadow and punch a tree? You still have to focus and know what you're doing. Let me ask you, why do we practice punching a wall bag? The wall bag is just like a target for shooting arrows. This develops focus for the fist. When you see the opponent, his whole body is the target. When he attacks, it is basic Wing Chun technique which protects you. The main idea is that you learn to see the opponent's opening and how to get in. When you close the gap, it isn't with techniques but with your stance--then your attack comes. Don't strike when you're closing. If you use hand techniques to close the gap, you'll lose when the opponent moves--it's easy to get hit at that time. It's best to close first and then to trap the opponent as he tries to attack you. (Master Ho showed how to slip and withdraw and then attack using Wing Chun closing techniques.)

Question: So, you make the opponent react to you?

Master Ho: Yes. Also, in Wing Chun we never duck our head around. When you duck, it's easy to get hit. It's best to use structure to dissolve an attack. If an opponent ducks a lot, I can easily get him. I can hit him anytime I please. He can't defend himself for he is too busy ducking. When he comes back up, that's when I'll get him. The key word is to learn to adjust your timing and structure.

Question: Which is better--to close the gap and attack, or to wait until the opponent commits to something and comes into your area?

Master Ho: Closing and setting up the opponent is superior to waiting. If you wait until the opponent is attacking you, he may be applying this theory and therefore you will be in trouble. Also, when closing the gap, if an opponent doesn't react, if he doesn't move at all, then you can strike him anytime. Don't wait for a reaction--just strike.

Question: When an opponent attacks, he will usually attack with three punches or a combination. How would you adjust this concept for this type of opponent?

Master Ho: If you catch the opponent on the first punch, he won't have a chance to throw a second and a third.

Question: Should we then continue with combinations of our own? For example, should we use just one punch at a time or concentrate on landing combinations?

Master Ho: The principle is like this: If you get in with one punch, that might not be a killing blow. If you have a chance to strike a second time, fine. But if not, don't do it. Don't try to hit too much. Try to use the right timing.

Question: Should we then go back out and start again?

Master Ho: That's not necessary. You just don't have to hit, continue to chase, control.

Question: So, it's better to punch one, two, three, watching the opponent than to try to throw three punches at thesame time?

Master Ho: In a real fight, you rarely have a chance to punch the opponent three times quickly like that. When you punch, at that moment, you are stationary--your hands are faster than your stance. But if you advance and land solid blows on the opponent, one by one, this is superior.

Question: For systems that use great power like Choi Lee Fut, do you attempt to get out of the way or what?

Master Ho: Sure. If you understand the distance, it doesn't matter how strong an opponent's power is. As long as you're just one paper distance away, you won't accept any force. Learn to adjust your distance and move properly. Like a gun which shoots a mile--as long as you're a mile and an inch away, you're safe. Also, in Wing Chun, we don't put our hands above our shoulders. (Master Ho demonstrated a boxing posture.) If you think this will protect your head against a strong punch, you're wrong. It will blow right through your hands. If your guard is high, you can't balance your hands and technique. Also, for a roundhouse kick, when the opponent executes this kick, all of his weight is supported over one leg. When you kick like this, you can't easily change your position. I can move to the other side and in. Don't use your kicks too much. But if you have the chance, go ahead.

Question: In contrast to hard power like in Choi Li Fut and Hung Gar, what about soft power? Do you use soft against soft or hard against soft like Tai Chi Chuan?

Master Ho: In Tai Chi Chuan the center of gravity changes all the time. When you shift your center like this, it's not good; you're in a poor position to launch an attack. This may be good for health but not for fighting. Also, Wu Shu from China; such moves are enjoyable to watch. We can't do this type of movement. For fighting, the moves we use, they can't apply this either. So, we can't copy them and they can't copy us. (Master Ho performed a Wu Shu pose.) These motions have no meaning, like saluting, there's no fighting aspect. Also, running around and performing splits have nothing to do with fighting. This may be good for health and movies, it's wonderful to watch, but that type of martial art is different that what we practice.

Question: Wing Chun employs the Plum Blossom symbol. Could you comment on the significance of the Plum Blossom withinthe Wing Chun system?

Master Ho: The Plum Blossom defines the prime attacking areas for the front body: the center of the chest, face, higher ribs, lower ribs, etc.

Question: Does the Plum Flower relate to footwork also?

Master Ho: Yes.

Question: May I ask about the application for the Wing Chun hook punch?

Master Ho: (Master Ho demonstrated guiding the opponent and then striking.) This punch is best used to the body; there's more protection in this. But you can use these techniques any way you wish. Like writing, after you learn how to write, you can write anything you like. But you should use some common sense. When practicing, if you just punch any old way, after ten years you won't improve. But if you pay attention to acquiring the right foundation, correct timing, after ten years you'll improve greatly.

Question: Can you explain how we can develop our Sticky Hands from the basics so we can improve?

Master Ho: In the basic rolling motion the forearm in Taan Sau should be pointing upward; Bong Sau must be at the correct angle (135 degrees). Your arms touch at one single point; the rest of the arm and shoulder is relaxed. You should control your own motion. The power should equalize. If one is not balanced, then you'll be hit by your partner. Also, rolling too fast is not good for there's no inner control. If there's no control, there's no power--just the motion. Do not waste your time practicing like this. When practicing, you roll "one by one." If your partner presses in too hard, that's when you attack--go in, use your feeling. Also, if your partner withdraws his power, attack right away. In a passive position (Taan/Fok Sau), dissolve the attack by using Bong Sau. Deflect the punch first before you attack. The main thing in Sticky Hands is to learn how to control your motion. Learn to feel the equalization point--equalize with both hands. When you feel something uneven, that's when you know to attack.

Question: Is it a good idea to practice the basic positions Taan/Bong and Double Fok in the beginning before combining the other two positions Taan/Fok, Bong/Fok, etc.?

Master Ho: They're all important--all four positions. You should practice them all.

Question: Could you please comment on whether the palm in Taan Sau is flat or upward?

Master Ho: It should be flat. Have you ever seen a bridge connecting two land masses that point upward?

Question: I notice when you execute Bong Sau, and too much pressure comes inward, you adjust and guide the force away. Is it a bad habit to perform Lop Sau at this time?

Master Ho: You have to know whether the incoming force is in the center, up, low, or to the side. That's why you practice for feeling, so you know which way the force is coming. The technique is applied according to the direction of force. From Bong Sau, if the force is coming down, you can use Lop Sau. Now, if the force is coming straight in, pressing your Bong Sau, don't use Lop Sau. Use your elbow (Gwai Jong). If the power goes to the other side, use Taan Sau. That's why it's important to have an instructor to point these things out to you when you practice.

Question: Could you comment on the use of light and heavy power Sticky Hands?

Master Ho: Light Sticky Hands isn't good; too much force is also not good. If you can apply the correct power and equalize perfectly, this is excellent.

Question: When you apply an elbow strike, does it come down or across?

Master Ho: If executed sideways it's called Pai Jong. If an elbow is applied downward it's Gwai Jong. Pai Jong is introduced in Chum Kiu set and Gwai Jong is found in Biu Jee.

Question: Could you demonstrate the correct Lop Sau exercise? Master Ho demonstrated with Sifu Fong and stated, "Don't emphasize the trapping motion too large; also don't stick constantly while applying Lop Sau. These are both wrong."

Question: When you apply Lop Sau and you meet, are you just touching or do you hit hard?

Master Ho: You're going to hit down, but when you touch, you release the power and relax. (Master Ho demonstrated Lop Sau with power and then added a few techniques.) If you're good at the basics, you can do whatever you like. If not, forget it.

Question: If I understand correctly, the purpose for Sticky Hands is to develop feeling, what's the purpose of Lop Sau?

Master Ho: Also to practice your feeling.

Question: Will you comment on the development of internal energy within the Wing Chun system?

Master Ho: If you practice correctly and with a good foundation, clear your mind, emptiness, natural breathing, automatically the Ch'i will run down to your Tan Tien. That's the foundation of Chi Kung.

Question: Do you have any views about the future of Wing Chun Kung Fu and of the many branches which are spreading?

Master Ho: It doesn't matter when speaking about the branches of Wing Chun, as long as you carry on the correct principles--that's all that counts. The future of Wing Chun is based upon you.

Question: I've heard that in Chinese astrology there's something significant about the number nine, which 108 adds up to. For example, all the forms have 108 motions. Could you comment on this?

Master Ho: Before, in the history, it's said there were 108 fighters who ascended the mountain to train their students to rebel against the Ch'ing government. However, the real principle is lost, no one today knows why the number 108 is so important. Actually, the number is not important.

Question: I have a history question about Leung Lan Kwai. Is he considered part of our genealogy?

Master Ho: The father of Leung Lan Kwai was Leung Lan Chin. Leung Lan Chin learned from Yim Wing Chun's husband, Leung Bok Chau. Some historians include Leung Lan Kwai in the genealogy while others do not. However, in the Wing Chun clan, Leung Lan Kwai is considered to be above Wong Wah Bo and Leung Yee Tai in the history; Leung Lan Kwai and his father are part of an earlier generation.

Question: Do you know of any other Wing Chun lineages, besides Yip Man, which exist today?

Master Ho: In his generation, including Yip man, there were sixteen students (si-hing dai). However, they've all passed away.

Question: Did Leung Bik, Yip Man's other sifu, teach anyone else?

Master Ho: No.

Question: Who is Fong Wing Chun of the Hung Gar legend and is there a connection between this person and Yim Wing Chun?

Master Ho: Fong Wing Chun is a different person and not considered part of our lineage.

Question: What's the difference between the Taoist concept of controlling power and the Buddhist, and does this relate to Wing Chun?

Master Ho: Taoist and Buddhist control of energy is based on Ch'i--how to breath in order to generate internal development. Wing Chun control is based on the physical. How to control an opponent, etc. This is a different thing. Taoism and Buddhism are religions. Wing Chun is not a religion.

Question: How much did the Wing Chun art change after Yip Man studied with master Leung Bik. Was there a modification of the style?

Master Ho: There was actually no change. Yip Man learned from Chan Wah Shun before. But master Chan died early. Later, Yip Man was introduced to Leung Bik and discovered he was Leung Jan's son. So he kept learning Wing Chun. Master Leung Bik is the one who taught Yip Man the details of Wing Chun--more theory, etc.

Question: I've heard that Wing Chun was developed from Ng Mui by watching a snake and a crane or a fox and a crane. Do you have any comment about this?

Master Ho: The credit for this system doesn't go to Ng Mui but to Yim Wing Chun because the art was improved by her. Ng Mui was Yim Wing Chun's instructor. Ng Mui developed the Wing Chun art but Yim Wing Chun improved it. What we practice today is based on the ideas and improvements of Yim Wing Chun. This is why it's called Wing Chun.

Question: What about the weapons? Are they important?

Master Ho: Before there were guns, the weapons were important. Now weapons training is not that essential. Today, the hands are more important. But it's the same concept. Whether it's the hands or weapons, it's the same structure and position.

Question: How is it you speak so clearly about Wing Chun?

Master Ho: Well, I've studied Wing Chun and its theory for over thirty years. I've spent my whole life researching the theory and principles of this system.

Question: Concerning Wing Chun being just a fighting system, how can we call Wing Chun a complete system without the religious elements?

Master Ho: Now, if you're talking about a spiritual level like in religion, then no. But if you speak of a spiritual part of Wing Chun--then yes. For both the physical and spiritual must improve together. But if you try to place Wing Chun in the category of religion, with that type of development, then no. You shouldn't think that Wing Chun is religious and spiritual. In another way these two elements are balanced within the art.

Question: Besides natural breathing when you are practicing, do you have different types of breathing exercises for developing your Ch'i?

Master Ho: We don't use any special forms or techniques of breathing. Everything should be natural to make your Ch'i flow.

Question: Did grandmaster Yip Man teach the students at the beginning of his teaching career differently than near the end?

Master Ho: Of course there's a difference in the way of his teaching. For example, when you just graduate from college and begin to teach, you have little experience. But from then onward, you learn better. Just like teaching Kung Fu; at the beginning you're less experienced. Your way of teaching will improve.

Question: Did Yip Man teach anybody else besides you the complete system of Wing Chun?

Master Ho: Everyone learned the whole system, but it depends upon the individual whether he can digest the system or not. That's a different story. If I give all of you a subject and ask you to write a composition, you'll write your own way. Some will write differently than others. It's the same idea. Also, it depends how long you learn the system. If one learns the three forms in two weeks and someone else learns the forms in three years--the difference is already there. In the Wing Chun system, there's only three forms, one dummy form, Six and a half point Staff, and Bot Jaam Do set. If you want to learn the motions, it'll take you a half year. But if a good student takes his time and learns the forms correctly, a little is better than one who learns too much.

Question: Master Ho, we appreciate your efforts in speaking to us and setting the record straight. I'd like to thank you on behalf of everyone for answering these questions.

Master Ho: Thank You.

-Compiled and edited by Curt James

courtesy of Wing Chun Chinese Martial Arts Association